From my other blog page, The Road to Concord:
‘NATURAL BORN’ Under Natural Law
I have a confession to make: I was wrong about my understanding of what ‘Natural Born’ means in terms of citizenship. In fact, I think many of our best legal minds may be just as confused. It wasn’t until I saw a video that is going around claiming to ‘prove’ that Ted Cruz is not natural born that I realized why I was wrong. In the video, the woman speaker mentions Natural Law. So I started looking to Natural Law for the answer and what I found showed me why I (and the woman in the video) was wrong about my understanding of this term. So, if you will allow me, I will now use Natural Law to explain what ‘natural born’ means.
First, let me point out that I am not referring to or addressing the letter of any law. I am looking only to the principle of this matter, not the twisting or distorting of that principle. The letter of the law is often wrong because laws are written with language meant to allow one to get around the spirit of the law. Therefore, I want the reader to know I will be addressing the spirit of the law regarding natural born citizens.
We start by pointing out that nations do not exist in nature. A nation is an artificial entity. By that, I mean it is man-made. Now, under Natural Law, this creation we call a nation falls under the notion of the Social Contract. The Social Contract governing a given nation defines the requirements for citizenship of that nation/society. Whatever these terms are, we must understand they are the product of Natural Law, but they are not a part of Natural Law, themselves. Therefore, all conditions of citizenship are man-made, as well.
So how does one become a natural born citizen? Well, as far as I know, all nations grant citizenship to the children of those who are currently citizens of that nation. Now, if one parent is not a citizen, or the child is born outside the physical borders of the nation, the laws may have restrictions on automatic citizenship. We would have to check each individual nation’s laws to be sure of the specifics. But, if a child is born into conditions which grant citizenship according to a given nation’s laws, they are naturally born into citizenship of that nation. In other words, they do not have to go through any legal process to obtain citizenship of that nation. This is what it means to be ‘natural born’ under the principles of Natural law. And yes, this could — but does not have to — mean that a child can be a natural born citizen of two or even three nations. If a child has two parents from different nations, each of which grant citizenship to the children of citizen parents, but the child is born in a third nation that grants citizenship to those children born within its physical borders, then you would have a child ‘naturally born into’ citizenship of three nations.
What threw me was A — my desire to disqualify Barak Obama because I did not like his politics and B — my stupidity in trusting people who claimed to know better because they had degrees. In both cases, I ignored the principles governing Natural Law. Had I looked to them first, I would have understood that, so long as the law granted citizenship under the conditions of Obama’s birth, he was a citizen. I wish I had looked to the spirit of the law first. It would have saved me a lot of grief. But now I have and, while I still oppose Obama’s ideology and policies, I understand that, given the information we have been told, he is a natural born citizen — but so is Ted Cruz! At the time of his birth, U.S. law granted citizenship to the children of U.S. citizens regardless of where they were born. Cruz’s mother was a U.S. citizen. Cruz never had to go through the naturalization process because he was naturally born into his citizenship. it is this simple.
There was one other reason I initially believed Obama was not natural born, and that Cruz couldn’t be, either. I understood that what the founders were trying to do was exclude the possibility of electing a person whose loyalties were not to the United States. Well, given the open support for Communism in this country, and for Islam, I can see how a person could be born in the United States, to two U.S. citizens — natural born in all respects — yet hate this nation. That person would be technically qualified to run for President even though they would be an enemy of this nation. In this case, it is up to the people to stop them by not voting for them. This did not happen with Obama (partly because the press no longer does its job in our republic). And now we are about to nominate a man who is openly telling us he does not feel constrained by any law because we are more interested in demanding a king than we are in preserving our liberty.
Well, no law can protect a corrupt and lawless people from themselves. If they are intent on using force to impose their will, they will do so — either directly as a mob, or by giving their voice to a strongman. And this is what is at the heart of America’s real problem. We would rather let strongmen fight for us than obey the principles of Natural Law. Sadly, this affirms the words of the Speaker of the House, Robert Winthrop:
“Men, in a word, must necessarily be controlled either by a power within them or by a power without them; either by the Word of God or by the strong arm of man; either by the Bible or by the bayonet.”
It looks like we would prefer the bayonet to God…
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Reblogged this on The Rio Norte Line and commented:
OK, so I was s-l-o-w on the uptake. But hey, at least I still learn — sometimes.
The problem with OWEbozo’s “Natural Born” citizenship as it was explained to me had nothing to do with whether he was born in the USA and was a “Natural Born” American at birth. It had to do with him giving up his American citizenship and becoming a citizen of another country, and then returning to America and then becoming a American Citizen again. This made him a “Naturalized” citizen and no longer a “Natural Born’ American citizen.
Agreed. And I tend to believe this is or should still be an issue. But this is the letter of the law again. That is not the focus of this post, my friend 🙂
Respectfully,
One cannot be “natural born” if they can be “drafted” into military service by a foreign state/nation. One cannot be “natural born” if they have “dual” citizenship, and thereby owe allegiance to another country other than America. Where one was born has nothing to do with this. Ones parents’ citizenship and their parents’ “owed” allegiances at the time of birth is what matters. If Obama’s claims for his father are correct, he has dual citizenship, American and British. Consequently, Obama, being a British subject with allegiance owed to the England, cannot be a natural born citizen, even though Obama is an American citizen.
B3A:
I understand the premise upon which you based your conclusion that both BHO and Cruz qualify as natural born.
Would you conclusion have been any different for Cruz if later research revealed that neither of Cruz’s parents were U.S. citizens at the time of his birth in Canada? Research in the April/May period of 2016 showed that both of Senator Cruz’s parents were citizens of Canada at the time he was born.
The best place ot find publication of this research is to read the writings of J.B. Williams during that period of time. He can be found on a number of sites.
Regards
To be honest, I think we would have the same problem with BHO. It has been shown he was registered in a madrasa in Indonesia as a child and, at that time, he would have had to have been a citizen of Indonesia to have done so. We also have legal documents showing he was (at least reportedly) adopted by his step-father. Again, making him a legal citizen of Indonesia, thus creating the same problem for him as Cruz has.
As for what I think of the whole mess? Well, to be honest and consistent, I think BOTH should have been disqualified — and for the same reason.. However, since BHO was not, then we could not justify excluding Cruz — again, for the same reasons.
This is what happens when we live according to the rules of men and not the law 😦